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Everyday I need to turn right similar to what X did. Now the process I follow is I check my mirror, pick a nice gap, indicate and move towards the right and turn all the time monitoring the traffics response to my legal maneuver in my mirror. When that standard maneuver that I've done thousands of times without incident becomes too dangerous I'm quitting riding.

I refuse to ride in the gutter unless I deem it necessary. I will do the same maneuvers as cars unless I deem it unsafe. I let faster vehicles pass when ever I can even sometimes if that means finding a slip lane and slowing down. I hold my lane when I deem it necessary but as soon as that has passed I move out of the way. It's essentially what I call the 'commuting dance' if you go in too rigid you won't flow and get yourself in trouble. Relaxed, alert, aware and use all the information at your disposal to make the right decision for you at that time, that may vary from day to day. If I feel threatened I will immediately use a backup plan, generally involved getting out of the area. Unfortunately that comes with experience and sometimes a sixth sense, not 100% accurate of course but knowing that means you err on the side of caution.

Now we all have differing opinions on safety. I watch down hill riders and those who do big jumps and think wow that's unsafe. People who don't ride think wow riding to work is unsafe. Those on this forum all have varying opinions on what is safe.

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Om, just a point to note, I was never in the bike lane, the bike lane was occupied by parked cars as it is almost every day riding along that section.

Whilst some riders may think its OK to ride in the very limited space left, this is also the "Door Zone" and having been doored albeit a very long time ago, its not something I wish to ever have happen to me again. So I always ride away from the Door Zone.

In this case on turning onto Herston Rd the bike lane is a bike lane, you know the type, about as wide as a bike. As it opens up past the next street, the parking of cars begins. Usually there is a Commodore Station Wagon parked first, followed by more cars, at this point there is no room for a bike and car in the bike lane, so you need to go into the "road" lane to avoid the Door Zone. At this point you can choose to stay in the lane outside the Door Zone or take your chances in the Door Zone.

Typically there are hospital staff/visitors parking in these spaces, they may have arrived before you've seen them park and not yet alighted from their vehicle, you can never assume a door is not going to open. I've seen a few people nearly doored or if not when taking evasive action nealy hit from behind along here.

So going up that section of road I am already positioned in the "road" lane when this car was at least 200 metres away. Car drivers can clearly see that and in my case with so many flashing lights and fluoro bits even blind Freddy would see me. Anything else is an just a poor excuse. Not only that, it is a blind crest of sorts, you cannot see if there is approaching traffic, so even if say there was a car reverse parking, you would not just go around without at least slowing to assess the situation.

To assert that bikes should not ride in front of cars because you will get hit is just nonsense. That's just making excuses for poor driving habits/skills. Its akin to saying that it is OK for drivers to do whatever they want without consequence. Hey why not just turn left across a rider, its OK.

The biggest issue out there is the ego issue of drivers. Even tonight whilst approaching Days Rd on KB Rd, I had a driver who obviously just saw a bike and didn't look past the bike to see the stopped traffic. So in trying to accelerate past me and then wanting to cut left across me to turn left (behind 3 or 4m stationary vehicles), he suddenly sees the stopped traffic and realises that if he continues he will rear end a stopped vehicle. So he stops only when I sound my Airhorn and then has the temerity to beep at me as if I was to blame because he tried to do something stupid. If he had just opened his eyes and looked beyond the bike to see the stopped traffic, he would have realised that just sitting behind the bike would get him to a place behind the stopped traffic without issue, but his ego would not allow that.

Ky, I do not post the videos for validation, honestly I do not give a rats what anyone thinks, that why you'll notice I disable comments on Youtube, I'm not interested in what people have to say there or what they think. I post them up here for members to see, for discussion, as far as I am concerned, they make good discussion material. If you're looking to use them as a way of attacking me, don't waste your time. If you or anyone asks a question for clarification, I will as much as I can provide any information requested.

Sometimes I do make a mistake when riding, in fact I had one of those moments earlier this week which if I get around to it I will post up as it will be going in my Powerpoint presentation. I made an assumption which nearly ended up with me under a van, it was only because I was riding the brakes that I slowed down to avoid an incident. It would have been mostly my fault, but the driver was also inattentive to his surroundings as well. So I will try to post it up as it will make good discussion material.

Aaronwray, wise words and my sentiments exactly.

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OK so here's the situation, you're riding along Herston Road, you've assessed the situation, if you move over to the right of the lane indicating your right turn with your arm fully extended while the road has no cars in the immediate vicinity, but you can see them approaching from about 200metres back, the left side of the road is completely empty so cars can pass you without upsetting their "hard earned" momentum and the following happens:



what was going through this guys head? he eventually stopped in a parking drop off/pick up area 300metres up the road.

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each to their own opinion I guess. he had a choice, use his brakes, or use the accelerator, pass on the left safely or pass on the right dangerously. I made a judgement of where I should be on the road given his location (far away), speed (60km/h zone) and the environment ie location of stationary vehicles and where I thought I would be visible, safe and not be in danger. this is no different to a driver who pulls out in front of a cyclist who misjudges the cyclists speed, he didn't just make a mistake with me, he also consciously chose to drive into oncoming traffic and take on another motor vehicle. in the rear camera you can see the car behind him stop and pause and watch the events unfold as he was obviously expecting a head on collision to occur.

hindsight is 20/20, we can all look and pontificate about how it should have been done, but that's a perfect world and we do not live in a perfect world.

Why would u submit a 7 second clip which really doesn't tell us anything other than a car passed on your right hand side and nearly took out an oncoming vehicle in the process? stupid

Surely you would want to show them as much of the rear footage as possible, showing you changing lane position with sufficient time & space to give any oncoming and trailing traffic to time to make adjustments to their own speed/direction.??

After all, you want them to know you were infact following the rules and not riding without due care.

You say the cars approaching from behind were approx 200m and think that's "faraway" that's not far when you're travelling 20kph and they 60kph.

As for the computer storage space issue, invest in an external hard drive, they are not expensive and you won't need to use your 80gb hdd as an excuse anymore. Wink

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Anyone else got a video?

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Wow, 3 weeks and 7 pages on and people are still going on about it. Thanks Michae1 for quoting my post, took the time to reminisce and realise how much I have repeated myself repeated myself repeated myself because people are too lazy to go back and read what I have previously posted. Based on this, I personally will not be responding to any posts about this video, time to move on for me.

About timeYes no

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Where will it end? It won't.

Until there is sufficient infrastructure to seperate cyclist and their needs, or wants, from motorists there will always be issues. But this is a "pipedream".

Why? Because ***s are everywhere.

All that we can do as cyclists, no different from motorists, is ride defensively and obey teh law. Pipedreams.

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OK time for a new piece of fodder.

But first the production process to basically outline why I only do videos when I feel like there is something interesting to show everyone.

First because the camera software is installed on the PC I cannot turn both on and edit from the cameras. The PC thinks that two identical webcams are operating and goes into meltdown. So first step is copy the files of each camera one at a time (I was doing front and rear this time you'll be happy to know). At just under 1Gb that takes about 25minutes each. Double this if the section I need traverses two files.

Then I work with each file, in this case the rear view first, that took 10 minutes for WMM to load and broke the file into 128 separate clips. The front camera took about 10 minutes and was in 144 clips.

Editing took about 20minutes, working the rear footage first, finding the first clip, trimming it if necessary, then adding more clips on. The the front again finding the first clip to use, trimming it then adding more clips. This time I also added some overlaid titles to explain various bits along the way, then I save the file.

Then we go to YouTube, that process is happening as I type this and according to YT is going to be a 25minute upload.

So all up the 40 seconds of video took about 2 hours, even if it was only 7 seconds or 70 seconds, process is the same and time frame roughly the same.

Now to the video. This is riding along Kedron Brook Road approaching the Days Road roundabout, its a T intersection you can only go left or right. Most cyclists go right to then do a left turn to get to the Kedron Brook Shared Pathway. There is a clearly defined bike lane almost all the way to the roundabout. According to Traffic Regulations, motor vehicles can use the bike lane to access a left turn up to 50 metres prior ot the intersection. This roundabout will vary in traffic and sometimes be backed right back well past where you can see in the rear footage at the beginning (almost back to Velo's new shop), sometimes the roundabout is empty, this time it was relatively empty with 2 or 3 cars waiting to turn left (the predominant turn for cars it seems at this roundabout). I often see cars going right just to go right around the roundabout through 270 degrees to make the left turn.

Basically I am approaching the roundabout, I'm positioned in the right side of the bike lane, readying my self to pull in behind the black car as it appears to be going straight ahead to turn right. Then as it passes me the left turn indicator magically comes on and he wants to cut across my path with no room to spare. Had he looked, thought about it and just slowed down, he could have easily tucked in behind safely. So for his trouble he is now stuck in the right lane and I assume did the 270 degree left turn by going right.

DIYCBA

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umm ok so the dude had to do a 270° turn for being a ***....worthy of 2hrs+ of editing and stress backing off...prob not....just another knob on the road and tomorrow there will be another one for you to video and add to your hall of fame.....

**shrugs and moves on**

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Just a normal day in Brisbane, sometimes you just have to let it go...

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Quote: X

OK time for a new piece of fodder.

But first the production process to basically outline why I only do videos when I feel like there is something interesting to show everyone.

First because the camera software is installed on the PC I cannot turn both on and edit from the cameras. The PC thinks that two identical webcams are operating and goes into meltdown. So first step is copy the files of each camera one at a time (I was doing front and rear this time you'll be happy to know). At just under 1Gb that takes about 25minutes each. Double this if the section I need traverses two files.

Then I work with each file, in this case the rear view first, that took 10 minutes for WMM to load and broke the file into 128 separate clips. The front camera took about 10 minutes and was in 144 clips.

Editing took about 20minutes, working the rear footage first, finding the first clip, trimming it if necessary, then adding more clips on. The the front again finding the first clip to use, trimming it then adding more clips. This time I also added some overlaid titles to explain various bits along the way, then I save the file.

Then we go to YouTube, that process is happening as I type this and according to YT is going to be a 25minute upload.

So all up the 40 seconds of video took about 2 hours, even if it was only 7 seconds or 70 seconds, process is the same and time frame roughly the same.

Now to the video. This is riding along Kedron Brook Road approaching the Days Road roundabout, its a T intersection you can only go left or right. Most cyclists go right to then do a left turn to get to the Kedron Brook Shared Pathway. There is a clearly defined bike lane almost all the way to the roundabout. According to Traffic Regulations, motor vehicles can use the bike lane to access a left turn up to 50 metres prior ot the intersection. This roundabout will vary in traffic and sometimes be backed right back well past where you can see in the rear footage at the beginning (almost back to Velo's new shop), sometimes the roundabout is empty, this time it was relatively empty with 2 or 3 cars waiting to turn left (the predominant turn for cars it seems at this roundabout). I often see cars going right just to go right around the roundabout through 270 degrees to make the left turn.

Basically I am approaching the roundabout, I'm positioned in the right side of the bike lane, readying my self to pull in behind the black car as it appears to be going straight ahead to turn right. Then as it passes me the left turn indicator magically comes on and he wants to cut across my path with no room to spare. Had he looked, thought about it and just slowed down, he could have easily tucked in behind safely. So for his trouble he is now stuck in the right lane and I assume did the 270 degree left turn by going right.

DIYCBA

X - your download and editing time sounds ludicrous. I use a go pro hero camera and it downloads it's 2gig (approx 1hr) of video from it's SD card onto the laptop in far less than a minute (it's one file for every time you start and stop the camera - so for a commute it is only 1 file). For basic editing it takes next to no time in windows movie maker. While I'll admit the youtube upload can be a tad slow (even with a relatively high speed internet connection) you can away and do something else while that's happening.

Me thinks your system is a little more complex than it needs to be !

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insightful comment there, you seem to be really bitter for some reason.

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umm ok so the dude had to do a 270° turn for being a ***....worthy of 2hrs+ of editing and stress backing off...prob not....just another knob on the road and tomorrow there will be another one for you to video and add to your hall of fame.....

**shrugs and moves on**

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last I looked its a forum for discussing things, something happened, it got caught on video, its here now for people to discuss. if it doesn't interest you move along, no one is forcing you to read or watch.

as for why did I spend 2 hours creating this particular video, I collect them for educational reasons. this one is as the title suggests an attempted left hook, it will go into a presentation I have to show people what a left hook is or at least what it could have been. if you're really interested these presentations are done for workplaces including Brisbane City Council, Brisbane Water, Department of Transport and the Cycle Centre. Quite a few members here have been at the presentations and seen the powerpoint slides I have. when I come across situations like this that occur to me that replicate one of the scenarios in the presentation I make a video to put in the presentation. not quite a hall of fame as you put it, not sure why you would call it that unless you are trying to put a negative spin on it.

3I, my computer is really old and slow, I think the main issue is that it is just old technology (the PC is about 8 years old). I do agree as if I copy the files at work it is like lightning by comparison, but unfortunately all the media editing software is disabled so I have to persevere at home.

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Slightly OT,

I'd guess if it's 8 years old. USB1 or 1.1 = way slow......same reason a Garmin 705 takes so long to upload a couple of gig of mapsets......


USB 1.0 : 1.5 Mbit/s (183 KB/s)

USB 1.1 : 12 Mbit/s (1.43 MB/s)

USB 2.0 : 480 Mbit/s (57 MB/s)


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wow, those are some speed differentials. no wonder it takes so long. I need to look into an upgrade methinks.

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Yeah 1.4 vs 57 megabytes per second.....ouch....

Also if you go thru a UBS hub, some can drop a USB2 device down to 1.1 speeds.

Mac's are good, native mac osx, bootcamp windows or windows in a virtual machine....All good

Once you go mac, you'll never go back.....hihi (partly because you cant afford to, expensive but so worth it. )

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I tink you should ride to work dressed as a girl. Go as something from the eighties with boofed up blonde hair and some pink tights. Let us know how you get on. Yeah, dude, don't forget the footage. It'll be the first action shots you've posted worth a look.

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Just taking this opportune moment to show people the option within your 'Profile'.

At the top of each page, if you select the 'Visit your profile' link (it'll bring you to your profile...), it will give you a few options. One of which is 'Ignore 'em'

In this area you can add in UserNames for users. You can choose to ignore their posts. So when they have something to say, you don't need to see/read it.

You can add in any Frequent Flyer's or Forum Ho's name you wish.... any member/mod/admin's ID you like.

Enjoy.

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You can add in any Frequent Flyer's or Forum Ho's name you wish.... any member/mod/admin's ID you like.

Enjoy.

didn't work for me, just said the member couldn't be ignored

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Oh well...

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Wow, that's pretty cool, worked for me on skell's post, but not for X or Kenzo.

You guys must be 'special' hihi

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Just taking this opportune moment to show people the option within your 'Profile'.

At the top of each page, if you select the 'Visit your profile' link (it'll bring you to your profile...), it will give you a few options. One of which is 'Ignore 'em'

In this area you can add in UserNames for users. You can choose to ignore their posts. So when they have something to say, you don't need to see/read it.

You can add in any Frequent Flyer's or Forum Ho's name you wish.... any member/mod/admin's ID you like.

Enjoy.

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