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Hey - it doesn't work for Forum Hos !!

Will see if the admins can fix that.

And anyway... are you sure that's not the same black mazda in both clips?

Damnit, just typed a response and lost it all again, sometimes I hate this timeout.

Black Toyota, must be a black car thing.

I was in the right side of the bike lane. I was only in his blindspot because he put me there by passing me. with all the flashing lights and high vis he must have seen me otherwise why wait to change lanes, why not just line up in the left lane?

I think this is a classic left hook where he just did not estimate the bike speed enough to realise that he would not have time to pass me and then safely have time to change lanes. two assumptions were made here, I assumed because he was in the right lane and was not indicating any intentions to turn left that he was going to go straight ahead and turn right. he assumed because I was on a bike and he was in a car that he would get past me. had I been in the middle or left of the bike lane I can only assume he would have just closed down on me anyway, hard to know though. I hadn't moved into the right lane earlier (after previous car passed) because I could tell he was moving with enough speed to make an early lane change (for me) potentially dangerous. so I was hanging in the right side of the left lane to wait for him to pass me.

Here is a link to the descriptions of the terms of Left Hook and others which better explains many of these terms:

http://www.bikesarefun.org/safety.html

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I think this is a classic left hook where he just did not estimate the bike speed enough to realise that he would not have time to pass me and then safely have time to change lanes.

Think you've hit the nail on the head there. Why anyone would try and do a left hook at a roundabout though where people know which lane is for what I don't know. My understanding is that the whole point of a hook-turn is to keep you out of the dangerous flow of traffic while waiting for an opportunity to turn. Not really necessary at a roundabout where everyone queues up for their turn to go. He might call it a hook turn. I'd call it being in the wrong lane and then trying to cut across. That horn is something though eh? Probably made him drop his breakfast cone.

While we're on roundabouts, what's with people indicating right to go straight on. If you're going straight over a roundabout surely you enter the roundabout not indicating and then indicate LEFT once past the 1st exit? I keep seeing cars side by side on roundabouts the one on the left indicating right and the one on the right indicating left. WTF! More parental driving tuition I assume?

You indicate right, then left on exit, I kid you not. Trouble is not everyone does it hence the confusion.

I thought I was pretty familiar with the laws and didn't think indicating right to go straight was part of it. Is this right? If this is true, then I'm glad people don't do it! Why indicate right to go around the roundabout - everyone knows you are using it if you are on it. It only makes sense to me to indicate right so that people queuing at the next exit know you are coming. And a left indicator is mandatory to allow those queuing to move.

Crazy world.

Thanks for the indicator info, I'll stop crapping myself now when I'm on the inside indicating left and they're on the outside indicating as if they're going to keep on going round and cut across the front of me.

Surely I'm not the only one that's not surprised by the no. of accidents here? And the response is never driver trining, it's more cameras and speed limit enforcement.

Ok, a left hook turn is what you call it. Whatever it's called though I believe it's a wrong manouvre in this situation. At that roundabout (and I drove it this morning and saw this) the left lane is clearly marked with a left arrow and the right lane is clearly marked with a right arrow. Also there is a SOLID white line between the lanes. Now, to me a solid white line means "do not cross". If you're in the wrong lane then tough. I seem to see a lot of crossing of solid white lines though.

Just now I was going east along days road and there's traffic control going on because they're replacing a power pole. Guy in front of me stops to turn right into the 7-11 which involves crossing the solid centre line rather than go another 50 yards, do a U-ey at the roundabout etc. There's a massive queue behind us and we've been a waiting longer than it would have taken him to go round the roundabout, so I toot him (just a small one). Cop behind me then pulls me over for "inappropriate use of the horn" WTF? I point out that the guy in front of me just made an illegal right turn across traffic, with workmen everywhere but he could not have been less interested.

Queensland police. They really are something else. I found a purse and keys in Wilston once so I took them to Stafford police station. The purse had things with a woman's name on but no address. Guy at the desk said, "we're not in the business of lost property delivery." Then he gave me the address and said I could take them round there!!! As I was leaving I said, "it's a good job I'm not a burglar" and he asked what I meant. Sherlock bloody holmes.

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Damnit, just typed a response and lost it all again, sometimes I hate this timeout.

if your going to do a long response you could type it in word & then just cut & paste it

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Damnit, just typed a response and lost it all again, sometimes I hate this timeout.

if your going to do a long response you could type it in word & then just cut & paste it

Yes, dammit, that timeout is limiting my forum wordage. And it is very frustrating. I copy whatever I've typed now before posting because you don't know if you're timed out until it's gone. Never to be seen again!

It would be good to see what a non-cyclist thought about these vids. If my Mrs saw some of them and knew it was me under the helmet, she'd remove all of my bike wheels and kick my a**e for taking so many risks. Ask around the office or family members and se what they say. It's not good for cyclists. This is why I ride the mtb and avoid traffic at all costs. I'm a wimp and I love my life. So I will actually get off my bike and stand on the kerb when it all gets too silly on the blacktop.

In answer to "Where will it end?", then unless the rider taking footage avoids the commute hours, makes some changes to where they ride and realises that they are a very, very vulnerable road user who should ride in traffic in defensive plus (Geoff Boycott) mode, then I'm afraid it will end in hospital. Depending on the frequency of these "near misses" then will be sooner rather than later.

Could also do a poll on roadgrime:

As a road cyclist have you been involved in an incident/accident whilst riding on the road which involved:

a) Never been hit by (or ran into!) a motor vehicle.

b) Have been hit by (or ran into!) MV but no injury or bike damage and no expert medical attention required.

c) Have been hit by (or ran into!) MV and sustained bike damage but no expert medical intervention needed.

d) Have been hit by (or ran into!) MV and required expert medical intervention (ambulance, hospital etc).

I'd take a punt that >75% or road cyclists have been hit by (or run into!) a motor vehicle. But if a regular roadgrimer puts it up then lets see what happens?

my mistake on the roundabout thing, just goes to show it is confusing. Dkselw, I think you're right it used to be in the rules but now is not.

timeout thing, usually if I remember I copy the post into the clipboard before hitting "Reply", but you know how it is, you hit reply and then realise you didn't copy the post (beat it that time, made sure to copy into clipboard).

Om, my wife and I have a Fightclub agreement, the first rule of the commute is we don't talk about the commute etc etc. After personally witnessing a road rage against me, she doesn't want to know anymore.

Igor, I'm pretty sure the law changed last year and you are allowed to cross a solid white line to turn right, but not to make a U-Turn. Who can keep up when they keep changing the rules all the time.

From many years driving but without reference to current relevant traffic acts (which have changed a bit with national road rule implementation), I thought it was OK to cross an unbroken line if turning into a driveway but not to change lanes or turn into another street.

If this provision was not in the law then many people wouldn't be able to get in and out of their driveways except by left turn in and left turn out. Happy to be corrected on this with relevant quotes from the Act though.

Of course whether this is safe or courteous to other road users is a completely separate issue.