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No longer after a frame as Mrs Bangers is expecting.

This post has moved on anyway Smile

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Oops, turns out she is 174cm. Leaning more towards an WSD frame, or a small mens frame (so I can strip one of my bikes = new bike for me)

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Hey Bangers

I conviced a freind of mine to go for a WSD frame about 6 months ago, just before the Epic. She is around 160cm, so I thought the medium Trek that she got would be perfect for her.

However, she's really struggled to get to grips with the frame. She was riding a Small mens all mountain style frame, which she was sold by a local bike shop, and was told it was ideal for the riding she was doing.

It weighted about 15kg! though it did ride the technical stuff well.

One of the things that makes a WSD frame is a shorter effective top tube length, compared with an equivalent mens frame of the same size,(because women are suposed to have shorter arms and longer legs than us blokes).

They can do this a few ways - bring the front wheel closer to the BB ( can only go so far before Toe / Wheel overlap becomes a problem ) and make the Seat tube angle steeper.

Both these things adversly affect the handling of a MTB, and this seems to be why my freind has lost all her confidence on anything technical (when she used to fly on it !). She also looks very upright on the bike (like she's riding a shopper bike), so its definitely too short for her (I think she actually has longer arms for he size)

Conversly, I got an XS Womens specific Scott Contessa for my wife, and she fits it perfectly ( shes the same height so must have shorter arms). She always walks anything technical though, so I'm can't really say how it handles.

At 174cm (same as me), I'm sure your freind (misses?) would fit a small / medium mens bike that should hopefully handle better. Would probably just need a shorter stem (She could even get onto a small 29er ! )

Obviously best to see how she fits on diferent bikes, and see whether a Mens or a WSD suits her best.

I'd be interested to hear how anyone else has got of with a Womens specific bike.

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She currently rides my 19" Giant and has no problems but I really want her to have her own bike in her size.

I think the saddles are a bit wider to accomodate their child bearing width ischial spines also.

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Did you end up getting her a bike Bangers? Im always excited to have another 'sister' out on the trails.

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Umm, found a good bike to buy (scott genius contessa, XT specced), passed the test ride - but circumstances dramatically changed over the weekend. Now I will focus on a(nother) new bike for me.

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Well sorry to hear that. But I guess you will have more time and $$ now.

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Well sorry to hear that. But I guess you will have more time and $$ now.

I fear I shall have less of both Smile

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I need some advice! I'm looking at upgrading my bike but I'm not sure If I should go for a womens specific bike. I've been riding a mens Jamis xc bike "17" for about 6 years and its time now for something better! I've been looking online and saw the Giant Alias bike! Are they any good? Also not sure about the sizing for me......I'm 1.60m and that bike is available in a "16". Will that be more suitable?

Calling on all the experts out there! Please help!

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I need some advice! I'm looking at upgrading my bike but I'm not sure If I should go for a womens specific bike. I've been riding a mens Jamis xc bike "17" for about 6 years and its time now for something better! I've been looking online and saw the Giant Alias bike! Are they any good? Also not sure about the sizing for me......I'm 1.60m and that bike is available in a "16". Will that be more suitable?

Calling on all the experts out there! Please help!

What type of riding do you do? What's your budget? What do you dislike about your Jamis to want to change?

The Arete and Anthem WSD are better...

I know a carbon duallie Scott that is going for a decent price (nearly bought it but found out a baby is on the way)

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I need some advice! I'm looking at upgrading my bike but I'm not sure If I should go for a womens specific bike. I've been riding a mens Jamis xc bike "17" for about 6 years and its time now for something better! I've been looking online and saw the Giant Alias bike! Are they any good? Also not sure about the sizing for me......I'm 1.60m and that bike is available in a "16". Will that be more suitable?

Calling on all the experts out there! Please help!

Hey miss crazychick, I saw a Specialized Era Expert WSD a couple of days ago reduced from $5700 to $3300. It was a small which would be your size.

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Thanks k9.

Its a bit expensive for me! Only looking to spend around the $1000 mark.

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I need some advice! I'm looking at upgrading my bike but I'm not sure If I should go for a womens specific bike. I've been riding a mens Jamis xc bike "17" for about 6 years and its time now for something better! I've been looking online and saw the Giant Alias bike! Are they any good? Also not sure about the sizing for me......I'm 1.60m and that bike is available in a "16". Will that be more suitable?

Calling on all the experts out there! Please help!

Hi Crazychick

The answer is "it depends.." which isn't a whole lot of help I realise. But for what it is worth....

The Womens Specific Dimension (WSD) Thing

The generally touted advice is that women need different geometry because they are built differently. As a gross generalisation, women of a certain height will have longer legs, shorter torsos, shorter arms, narrower shoulders, wider sit bones, smaller feet and smaller hands than a man of the same height. WSD tries to accommodate these differences in various ways. Some manufacturers (Giant, Specialised, Avanti etc) change the frame geometry to make the effective top tube length shorter to accommodate women's shorter reach for a given size of frame. Others don't manufacture different frames for women (Scott definitely and Merida I think off the top of my head) but achieve similar ends through choice of stem etc. There are also different seats for wider sit bones, narrower bars and smaller grips and lever reach for narrower shoulders and smaller hands, different crank lengths to accommodate different leverages caused by different geometry in women's legs and feet. If you buy a WSD bike it may have any combination of the above.

That's fine if you fit the generalisations and the particular bits they've changed for that particular bike suit you. If you are, for example a tall lady with shorter legs and longer torso, you may find that you are not suited to WSD at all! But the proof is in the riding and you probably need to just get out and ride some to see.

Sizing

All manufacturers seem to measure their bikes different ways. The best thing you can do is pull up some of their sizing charts and compare some of the measurements to a bike you are comfortable (or uncomfortable) on. I am 1.62m tall, so not vastly different in height to you. I have a few bikes (OK - more than a few and just got one more this week) and although they are all sized differently they are all pretty comfortable in their own way. I am the traditional stereotype in that I have shorter body and longer legs, but I have broad shoulders and truly gorilla-like arms so seem to be able to get away with the longer reach on men's bikes too, so I have a mix of both WSD (both my MTBs) and men's bikes (roadie and flat bar roadie) in my wardrobe.

The closest comparison to the Giant Alias is my Kona Lisa HT (hard tail MTB). It is a WSD 16" and fits me pretty well for MTBing, so the 16" Alias may well be in the ballpark for you since you are around my height. I can certainly recommend the WSD Alias, as a friend bought one about a year ago and it is a very nice bike. She is also about my height. I also have a friend with the men's Alias and it has taken a fair bit of punishment pretty well. The only thing is I'm not really sure how much of an upgrade it is going to be over your Jamis since I don't know about its equipment level.

In Summary

You probably need to work out whether you are the sort of person who could benefit from the niceties of a WSD bike or not, by working out whether you are built to the stereotypical shape. You probably need to go spend a bit of time in bikeshops trying on different bikes to see what clicks and says "now this is a really comfortable bike" and then gaze long and hard at its geometry chart to see why that is. And lastly, you probably should look at the equipment level of your current bike and see what improvements you r budget will buy you.

Hope this is of use. Feel free to PM and if you want to come and sit on a 16" WSD bike to see what it is like, give me a yell and I'm sure we can hook something up.

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Great post Pinkbike.

My wife has a women's alias but only path rides at the moment, it's a 14" frame and she is 150cms (I think). I had a mate's wife buy a men's alias the same size and the main difference from a riding perspective was that she wished she had got a women's saddle put on it when the bike shop offered. The main visible difference I noticed between the two bikes was the stem length.

The Giant Alias seems to be a good entry level bike but not as good value as they were a couple of years ago. One of the main complaints about this bike in the past was the forks (dart2 I think), they are now tora coils which are better. I have another friend with an Alias, I have the Talon, and both bikes have taken everything we have thown at them in the last few years, including a couple of muddy 6 hour races and countless stacks. We mainly ride daisy with a trip to bunya and gap creek once every couple of months, small jumps and hucks, that sort of thing.

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Hi Pinkbike,

Thank you so much for your very helpfull post!!! I'm so glad I got a womens perspective and in plain English!!! I've read some posts on this forum and all the technical talk is just mainly "words" to me and doesn't mean a thing.

I've been out to some bikeshops out there and I think there's a bike in each shop that I like!!! The one that stands out is the Jamis (yes another one) and I'm taking a closer look at it today. Its also a bargain....Its a Jamis Dakota Comp. and I can't tell you all the specs, but its carbon firbe hardtail and very light!! Its got the rock shocs fork and hydrolic brakes and basically its all I'm ineterrested in cause my old bike has got none of these!!! The size is a "15,5" and I think will suit me well. After talking to the pro's at the bike shops, its clear that I've been riding a bike too big. I'm pretty small and have average length legs. (I think)

Its sounds like you are a serious rider!!!! Are you going to the Dirt fest? I'm a social rider and have not done any events yet, but this year I'm gonna give it a go!!! The Noosa Enduro was going to be my first one, but I've read on the forum that it's been post-poned to 2011! I was thinking of going to the Dirt fest instead, but are just a little concerned about my fitness levels!!! Its just been so wet and muddy out there!!!

Thanks again for all your help and maybe I'll see you on the track one day!!!

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I've been out to some bikeshops out there and I think there's a bike in each shop that I like!!! The one that stands out is the Jamis (yes another one) and I'm taking a closer look at it today. Its also a bargain....Its a Jamis Dakota Comp. and I can't tell you all the specs, but its carbon firbe hardtail and very light!! Its got the rock shocs fork and hydrolic brakes and basically its all I'm ineterrested in cause my old bike has got none of these!!! The size is a "15,5" and I think will suit me well. After talking to the pro's at the bike shops, its clear that I've been riding a bike too big. I'm pretty small and have average length legs. (I think)

Its sounds like you are a serious rider!!!! Are you going to the Dirt fest? I'm a social rider and have not done any events yet, but this year I'm gonna give it a go!!! The Noosa Enduro was going to be my first one, but I've read on the forum that it's been post-poned to 2011! I was thinking of going to the Dirt fest instead, but are just a little concerned about my fitness levels!!! Its just been so wet and muddy out there!!!

I understand completely about there being a bike you like in each shop. I think there is a bike I like in every shop that exists! I just like bikes!getdown

Here is a link to the specs for the Jamis Dakota Comp:

http://www.jamisbikes.com/usa/thebikes/pdfs/2009_pdfs/09_dakotacomp.pdf

To my way of thinking it looks like a better level of equipment all around than the Alias. It is a mostly 7005 aluminium frame with some carbon in the rear triangle (seat stays) by the looks. While that amount of carbon is not going to make it light in itself (because it is only a little bit of carbon) the bike as a whole will probably be lighter than what you are used to because these days they optimise and get every last bit out of the frame design and alloy bikes are now achieving pretty light weights too. So you are probably looking at a better and lighter frame than you have already. Almost certainly it will be lighter than the Alias (although they don't report a weight on their website).

In terms of spec, the Jamis has better rear derailleur (XT rather than SLX) better shock (air rather than coil - you'll need a shock pump I think?) and has eyeleted rims (Alias doesn't say and you do want this if you are going disc brakes). It also comes with my favourite allrounder tyres (although that is easily changed to whatever you like).

So assuming that they were similarly priced and the Jamis fit well, I would certainly be leaning that way. It's just a fair bit more bike.

As far as size goes, I took a look at the geometry for the 15.5" and it has an effective top tube length of 546mm. This meshes pretty well with the 550mm for my 16" Kona. I guess it depends what stem length you need (it comes with 90mm which isn't huge) but a decent shop would be willing to fit you up and swap it out for another the right length at purchase if needed.

As for whether I sound like a serious rider... Well, I'm a serious nerd! I like numbers and specs! And I'm serious about liking bikes! And lots of them! And I'm seriously social as a rider too!

But I don't think you'd say I'm a serious rider. I mean, I've ridden bikes pretty much all my life to some extent, done lots of triathlons, a bit of touring, a lot of road riding and only got into MTB about three years ago. I have done a few MTB races (24hour and Dusk to Dawn sort of things) and we've got some good results, but more due to me organising rather than my riding contribution, which is usually not especially fast but just reliable in keeping on going!

But I would have to say I am seriously out of practice with MTB recently, as I got knocked off my roadbike back in October, and have barely ridden my MTB since while waiting impatiently for my shoulder to be "right" again. And since it was quite wet before then, most of my outings prior to that on both my MTBs had resulted in at least one tumble, slip or OTB. So I think it safe to say that I am serious about falling off bikes too!hihi

I was planning to be in a team at the Tre-X long course championships (which is run at the DirtFest) but we decided not to race as our cyclist had just rebuilt his bike after the mud of the last race in the series! Then they postponed and it is now on the same date as the Bribie Multisport adventure race which are putting a team together for. And my specialist leg in both these events is actually the swim!

Hopefully the weather will dry out, I will spend a bit more time on the MTB and will recover my coordination (such as it ever was) and confidence, and will do a few more races. So I might see you around.icon_biggrin

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In terms of spec, the Jamis has better rear derailleur (XT rather than SLX) better shock (air rather than coil - you'll need a shock pump I think?)

If you buy the bike you should insist the pump is included, whenever you buy new (air) forks there is always a pump as part of the package.

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Thanks for comparing the specs for me Pinkbike!

I've gone with my heart and bought the Jamis! I love my new bike and find myself glancing at it every chance I get!!!! It's reassuring to know that I've bought the better bike. Thanks for doing all the hard work!!! It rides like a dream and when I got on the bike I just "knew" that it was the one! Pretty silly, but what the heck!

Good luck with your upcoming event! Thanks again for all your advice!

I'll see you out there sometime!

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