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According to David Gillespie's blog post today, Staminade have just changed the formula of their powder to be sweetened with sugar instead of glucose and artificial sweetener. This turns it into another crap lolly water like Powerade, Gatorade or softdrink, which are completely useless for sports hydration (but great if you like dentist bills, fat and high BP, gout, cholesterol and diabetes).

Please voice your protests at http://www.staminade.com.au/contactus.html

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Thanks OCG what crap I've let them know my views and asked them why they changed.

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Oh well I guess its back to beer and kettle chips post ride for me!

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Thanks OCG,

checked the bottle in my cupboard and sure enough dextrose is the primary ingredient now. Guess that explains why my teeh have been feeling "furry" after a ride lately.

I've used it for years because it and my gut got along. No more.

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Thanks OCG,

checked the bottle in my cupboard and sure enough dextrose is the primary ingredient now. Guess that explains why my teeh have been feeling "furry" after a ride lately.

I've used it for years because it and my gut got along. No more.

Wozza

Dextrose = glucose so that's the one you want. I bought some more last night and it still says dextrose on the lable so there's probaly heaps of the older stock still out there. Once it changes to sucrose/sugar I'll have to give it the flick though.

Can anyone recommend any salt tablets, possibly with magnesium as well?

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Hammer Endurolytes, says they have magnesium on the bottle.

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I just got an email back from Staminade and they say "The Staminade powder has reformulated, it still contains dextrose which is a D isomer of glucose and also contains sucrose not fructose. Your message has been passed onto our Technical manager."

So, you'll still find dextrose on the lable. Just look out for the ones that have sucrose as well. Here's hoping they get a big enough backlash to change back to the old non-sucrose formula.

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Hammer Endurolytes, says they have magnesium on the bottle.

Thanks Craign. I'll see if I can track some down. I used to get regular cramps that Staminade cured for me so I'm really disappointed they've changed the formula.

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I just got an email back from Staminade and they say "The Staminade powder has reformulated, it still contains dextrose which is a D isomer of glucose and also contains sucrose not fructose. Your message has been passed onto our Technical manager."

So, you'll still find dextrose on the lable. Just look out for the ones that have sucrose as well. Here's hoping they get a big enough backlash to change back to the old non-sucrose formula.

I got the same message and then a retraction request email..... lets see how much they are putting in....

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This thread makes no sense to me.

I intentionally take dextrose after a ride/workout - it has the highest GI giving the quickest and biggest insulin boost to halt the catabolic phase and begin anabolism or repair.

Dextrose/glucose/fructose are all simple sugars. Sucrose is two of them put together ie, essentially the same thing. Sucrose is typically glucose + fructose, so to be ok with sucrose but not fructose doesn't make sense to me.

I don't think they should have sugar at all, I like to choose what I eat. But then they would taste like ass.

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I think the main argument is that previously Staminade had it's primary energy source being Dextrose. However now they are incorporating sucrose something that some of us are less keen on. I believe there is a difference in the way the body uses and metabolises sucrose vs glucose. However I'm still learning about the science of this process so happy to learn more about it.

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same...I read "sweet poison" which has been discussed here before. Says some interesting things about sugar, but I'm not sure how valid it all is. My GP didn't think much of it but curious if anyone else has informed knowledge...

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There was recently a post on cyclingtipsblog that gave you DIY instructions for what is basically oral re-hydration therapy powder. There is some good info in there about the detrimental effect on hydration of mixing sugars with it. Pretty much all the commercial productsI have seen, including Staminade, have to much sugar (of whichever form).

Because of the need to find decent quantities of the ingrediaents I haven't tried it yet but i did try to find ORT powders eg. gastrolyte, Hydralyte, in bulk, with no success.

Given that it is so cheap to make I'm a bit miffed that it is so expensive.

Anyone here in the medical industry and knows where to get bulk ORT powder??

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Use Infinit and get what you want.

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This thread makes no sense to me.

I intentionally take dextrose after a ride/workout - it has the highest GI giving the quickest and biggest insulin boost to halt the catabolic phase and begin anabolism or repair.

Dextrose/glucose/fructose are all simple sugars. Sucrose is two of them put together ie, essentially the same thing. Sucrose is typically glucose + fructose, so to be ok with sucrose but not fructose doesn't make sense to me.

I don't think they should have sugar at all, I like to choose what I eat. But then they would taste like ass.

Yep, that's what we're saying. Glucose/dextrose is what we want. Sucrose (ie glucose & fructose) is what we don't want and that's what they've just added to the formula. Hopefully if they get enough complaints or loss in sales they'll revert back to the previous formula without the sucrose in it.

Fructose, which is half of sucrose, may very well be the main cause of the obesity epidemic as well as countless other medical problems including high cholesterol, tooth decay, fatty liver disease, gout, arthritis, type 2 diabetes, hypertension, kidney and heart disease. Plus it's well known to play havoc with our natural appetite control mechanisms and it's addictive. As endurance athletes, sugar is a terrible energy source because it's well known to give a short term rush followed by a bigger crash. Basically our bodies just haven't evolved to deal with fructose properly. Glucose on the other hand is fine.

David Gillespie has rounded up heaps of research at http://www.sweetpoison.com.au/ or just google "fructose" + any of the abovementioned diseases for masses of data backing it up. There really does seem to be a "big sugar" conspiracy.

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just drink endura?

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Actually according to Gillespie, and those sport science dudes from South Africa that Stumeister pointed to in a thread about cramps about six months ago, sports drinks (even Staminade) are probably a waste of your money anyway.

Drink water. Eat food. Train and race at the same intensity and you'll minimise cramps.

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As a side note, I'm pretty convinced that one of the big factors for me in losing 20kg over the space of a year was deciding to drink just water (and the occasional skinny flat white). Your mileage may vary.

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I typed a long winded answer and AndrewBQ beat me to it. Well said that man. Eat well, drink adequate amounts of water and train hard.

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Have a read of this:

http://www.cyclingtipsblog.com/2009/12/hydration-fluid-from-outerspace/

i've read some other stuff, including a section in one of dr karl kruszelnicki's books where he debunks so-called science. Karl explains the origin of oral rehydration Therapy on the way to making the point that almost all of these drinks have too much sugar to do a good job of re-hydration. the sugars inhibit the mechanisms by which the body absorbs the water even if the electrolyte balance is correct.

The conclusion i have reached for cycling is that we should have three components, electrolyte solution like ORT formula or the stuff described in the link, fuel like gells/bars/chomps for your carbs and if for a long period some protein, and water.

You drink the electrolyte as much as you want but you need to have a break before fuel (about 10min), in this period you can drink water if you want but it isn't as effective on its own for hydration. When you have your fuel wash it down with water, have a short break then hit the electrolyte again. The water is also good for rinsing so you look after your teeth as has been mentioned.

You have a cycle of fueling and hydration where both are working well rather than pouring expensive sports nutrition products in one end and having them go straight through and out the other end without stopping to do their job. Or, alternatively plain water and food mixing in your stomach then passing out without doing very much.

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Fructose, which is half of sucrose, may very well be the main cause of the obesity epidemic as well as countless other medical problems including high cholesterol, tooth decay, fatty liver disease, gout, arthritis, type 2 diabetes, hypertension, kidney and heart disease. Plus it's well known to play havoc with our natural appetite control mechanisms and it's addictive. As endurance athletes, sugar is a terrible energy source because it's well known to give a short term rush followed by a bigger crash. Basically our bodies just haven't evolved to deal with fructose properly. Glucose on the other hand is fine.

You are completely right - but not because of sports people drinking the product. Fructose is the highly refined sugar replacement almost solely responsible for the american, and no doubt our obesity problem.

It is interesting to talk about obesity as an epidemic. It is only partially contagious.

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Gillespie states that we tend to use sugar to sweeten products here in Aus which is (just!) half as bad as pure fructose...like you say bangers, the US tends to use corn syrup which is 100% fructose. Still not sure what the medical franternity have to say about this these days as I'm not so sure they are all 100% behind Gillespie. He makes a lot of claims about his own health story which can be attributed to calorie intake alone...he hasn't actually done the glucose experiment or died of old age yet Smile

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