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September 05, 2010 02:59pm

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The Apple consumer products (iPhone and iPad) will not display Adobe Flash, so for instance many of the banners on websites that use Adobe Flash for their animation cannot be viewed on iPads and iPhones they do on iMac (the Apple PCs). Great way to cut themselves out of a big chunk of the web market and not very smart considering Apple may be considered a leader, but they are not a dominator like Microsoft.

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September 05, 2010 03:26pm

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The Ipad is not versatile. No "flash" and you can only have wireless or 3g but not both. All hype, no substance.

Can you please explain...

not sure what you have read but the 3g models have Wifi as well

Whoops, I stand corrected, I see on the website they do have both. Now if only they came with USB3 and E-sata they would actually be up-to-date.

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September 05, 2010 03:44pm

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September 05, 2010 04:08pm

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The Apple consumer products (iPhone and iPad) will not display Adobe Flash, so for instance many of the banners on websites that use Adobe Flash for their animation cannot be viewed on iPads and iPhones they do on iMac (the Apple PCs). Great way to cut themselves out of a big chunk of the web market and not very smart considering Apple may be considered a leader, but they are not a dominator like Microsoft.

Steve Jobs opinion on Flash:

http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/

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September 05, 2010 04:49pm

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Only Steve's opinion. though a seemingly solidly based opinion, it still leaves a large chunk of the web unavailable. Would also be good to see a response to Steve's opinion to balance it out from Adobe.

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September 05, 2010 05:43pm

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...Unfortunately it excludes Ipods and Ipads from being worthwhile educational tools.
The adobe educational suite, Adobe capivate and adobe presenter are excellent software applications which allow common old Joe blow (like me) to present high quality interactive web based multimedia presentations and to run them from our learning management system. Unfortunately they are converted to "flash" and therefore cannot be run on these devices, which is very dissapointing.

I hope they can all get together, have a "love-in" and come up with an alternative.

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September 05, 2010 07:10pm

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Only Steve's opinion. though a seemingly solidly based opinion, it still leaves a large chunk of the web unavailable. Would also be good to see a response to Steve's opinion to balance it out from Adobe.

The market will sort itself out. I believe IOS has just taken 3rd place in browser usage (at about 1%), but dominates the mobile market. I have seen several articles similar to: http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/10/09/02/2159237/Flash-On-Android-Is-Shockingly-Bad

Something along the lines of perhaps Steve was right because it is available on Android, but doesn't work well. The mobile market is exploding one way or the other and will need to be catered for by mainstream web sites.

Which means either: 1) Adobe figures out a way to make it work properly on mobile devices -> Apple will then presumably support it like they do on the macs. or 2) It goes away and gets replaced by html 5.

In the meantime, we all wear the inconvenience. Not the 1st or last time that will happen.

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September 05, 2010 08:04pm Updated 05-09-2010 08:15 pm by mikey

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My memory doesn't go back as far as some but I did a year of IT at uni in 1991 and we used Mac's that used Apple talk - which I am told (unreliably) was the precursor to email - anyway it was so new that in an open book exam which was held in the computer lab, we were apple talking one another the pages for the answers. No idea when that got locked down but was a great little discovery for us young enterprising students...

Back on iPad - I watched an interview with Steve Jobs the other day in which he talked about the iPad. He likened it to trucks and cars in that when motor vehicles became popular there was a very high percentage that were trucks used in agriculture. This was the only use that people foresaw for the masses so to speak. Now cars are in the majority and trucks the minority. He was saying this with the view that in the not to distant future the light version of the computer, being the tablet, would be what people wanted unless they wanted the heavy duty (or truck like) computing in which case they would have a laptop or desk top. Interesting perspective I thought.

The Ipad is not versatile. No "flash" and you can only have wireless or 3g but not both.

If it was a "car" it would be more like this....

All hype, no substance.

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September 05, 2010 08:11pm

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Only Steve's opinion. though a seemingly solidly based opinion, it still leaves a large chunk of the web unavailable. Would also be good to see a response to Steve's opinion to balance it out from Adobe.

The market will sort itself out. I believe IOS has just taken 3rd place in browser usage (at about 1%), but dominates the mobile market. I have seen several articles similar to: http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/10/09/02/2159237/Flash-On-Android-Is-Shockingly-Bad

Something along the lines of perhaps Steve was right because it is available on Android, but doesn't work well. The mobile market is exploding one way or the other and will need to be catered for by mainstream web sites.

Which means either: 1) Adobe figures out a way to make it work properly on mobile devices -> Apple will then presumably support it like they do on the macs. or 2) It goes away and gets replaced by html 5.

In the meantime, we all wear the inconvenience. Not the 1st or last time that will happen.

Secondly, according to Steve, if they allowed flash on their mobile devices, the battery life would suffer due to the load on the processor. Flash will NEVER be available on an apple mobile device (According to SJ). THe alternatives like HTML5 will run on the mobile devices and is a vialble alternative (according to SJ).

There certainly been some fireworks around this and I read a 500 word response from SJ on it and there were no punches pulled. Apple used to own part of adobe and they have a close relationship otherwise (PDF printer is packed woth MAC OS). I watched the presentation of the iPhone 4 release and SJ reported that 58% of mobile browsing in the US is done on an iPhone. Thats a large market share and will drive corporate web page design away from flash or maybe like out Co does and display different pages depending on the device accessing the pages. For those who don't know, web sites can determine if an iPhone or computer is accessing web pages.