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November 22, 2011 04:23pm

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Imagine an off-road trail loop from Karawatha Forest out to Ipswich and down to Wyaralong Dam (Mt Joyce) and back up to Karawatha.

Derm have asked for a representative of 'our organisation' to be present at a meeting about future planning etc for the area shown in the website and map below.
As we aren't an organisation, I thought it might be more prudent to make this thread, and let you lot banter on about it so DERM can see the interest for themselves.

All details here ... http://www.derm.qld.gov.au/land/planning/flinders-karawatha.html

PDF Map Of the Trail - http://www.derm.qld.gov.au/land/planning/pdf/flinders-map.pdf

SEQ Management Plan 2009 - 2031 - http://www.dlgp.qld.gov.au/regional-planning/south-east-queensland-regional-plan-2009-2031.html

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November 22, 2011 07:10pm

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Good scheme, put me down to ride it. Eveyone knows I am unstoppable, don't even try to stop me.

THOSE WHO RIDE KNOW

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November 22, 2011 08:31pm

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If you've ever riden the Otago rail trail in NZ, you'll know what a good idea this is. It creates tourism and jobs.

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November 23, 2011 06:50pm

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Great idea. What % is already usable trail?

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November 23, 2011 07:16pm

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That would be awesome.... Would love that to happen... Karawartha is just a short ride from Daisy Hill so we'd be able to link it all up... And Jim, I am going I use that line ... it is great to meet unstoppable people.

JimR: I am unstoppable, don't even try to stop me.

oppy

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November 23, 2011 08:59pm

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It's not the stopping it's trying to get him started....

Free the Trail

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November 24, 2011 10:21am Updated 24-11-2011 10:21 am by flyboy

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Sounds like a great idea that will require a lot of work to select the exact route and then build it. I hope that it gets up.

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November 24, 2011 12:39pm

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I ride Karawatha every week, currently even that is not allowed (not in where to ride book either). Along with the poor Karawatha entry at Kameruka St (steel gate to climb and polluted water creek), it will be a difficult task to get this up and running.

Local council not interested as a housing estate has just been finished there with no money set aside to fix up the adjacent entry to Karawatha.

Good luck and hope it come true.

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November 24, 2011 01:16pm

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Be great to have some green corridors joined to make some epic loops.

So hows this - this trail down to Boonah (from Kara), then loop up Cunnghams Gap, across to Goomburra, over the range to Laidley, back via OHV and return to Kara.

Nice.

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November 24, 2011 01:46pm

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ouch.... easy there tiger...

all the gear no idea

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November 24, 2011 02:13pm

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Great idea, and agree big loops like this WILL bring riders ( with money ) as 1 day tourists for that given area. But it must be safe and managable for all parties. If we (mtb riders ) don't seem to be supportive of such trails then nothing ever happens.

REMEMBER ... " build it and they will come "

oppy

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November 24, 2011 07:07pm

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Quote: Mad Aussie

Derm have asked for a representative of 'our organisation' to be present at a meeting about future planning etc for the area shown in the website and map below.

MA can anyone be nominated as a rep instead? I think it's really important that we be seen to be interested as well as respresenting at meetings. If we fail to attend and make ourselves heard, I can assure you that those groups who oppose outdoor recreation in natural environments will be present.

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November 24, 2011 07:52pm

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From the brochure

"Key opportunities

The diversity of natural settings in the Flinders Karawatha Corridor area allow for bushwalking, orienteering, mountain bike riding, trail biking, horse riding and other outdoor pursuits. Coordinated management would also allow for high impact activities such as mountain bike riding to be offered in the most suitable location."

[rant] I'd like to see that phase squashed for a start. High impact compared to what? The current research does not support such statements. This show the biased perception of mountain bike riding. I notice that horse riding despite being demonstrated in studies to have greater impact on trails than both mountain biking and walking is not labelled high impact. Given a regional trail will in all probability be multi-user to gain the most benefit to the community it will most likely be mostly management trail anyway. The impact of outdoor recreation users as an addition to management trails is insignificant. Currently the research being done on the regional horse trail network is finding it hard to even measure the impact of outdoor rec compared to the back ground of management vehicles and maintanence of multi-use trails.

[end rant].....

I hope that this is demonstration of the value of actually attending these meetings.

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November 24, 2011 08:55pm

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Good point Oppy, I have nothing to add except agree it's complete bollocks that mtb is high impact activity. It doesn't take a PHD in environmental science to see what happens when tracks are closed for re-veg, suggest the impact is perhaps acceptable to the natural environment.

But also SEQ has better weather than many places for year round cycling, the government would be mugs to not play the sustainabillty eco tourism bollocks card. Apologies but I have little faith in the current batch and think they are incompentent muppets? Someone smart enough and rides a bike should go and tell them what to do and pull their finger out. Tell them 2031 is bollocks we expect this track to be built in 12 months, fix it up and stop pandering to hpocrit greenie homis

BTW it can't be me because nothing can stop me, don't even try to stop me nothing can stop me. I am unstoppable.

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November 24, 2011 10:33pm Updated 26-11-2011 07:29 pm by flyboy

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Jim and Oppy, couldn't agree more but you are preaching to the converted! Maybe MTB is high impact because so many people do it, not just the actual per bike impact?

I sent an email to this address at seq catchments suggesting that it is a great idea and that Queensland as a whole is WAY behind the other states in this sort of thing. A trail like this, with Mt Joyce at the end of it, will surely be seen as visionary in the future.

We need to get behind it and not just post here, but send an email to seq water with our support and comparisons to the Otago Rail Trail, The Mundabiddi Trail in Western Australia, Forrest in Vic, Mt Stromlo in the ACT, Rotorua and Taupo in NZ to name but a few. These are all areas that bring in massive amounts of tourism dollars from MTB tourists, yet the powers that be cannot see that we have the perfect climate here in SEQ ie warm winters to attract these tourists.

Numbers are what these people respond to, so please send a supportive email.

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November 25, 2011 08:30am

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Email sent - I’m contacting you in regard to the Regional plan for Flinders
Karawatha Corridor. The options for riding in other countries and also recently in some Australian states are enormous. I’m going to Tasmania or a few weeks soon and my family will be spending a significant amount there. One of the attractions for visiting was the options for riding.

Other trips I’m planning are New Zealands (Otago Rail Trail), Western Australia ( Mundabiddi Trail), Forrest in Vic and over the next few years, with Europe and US during retirement. The addition of facilities for MTB tourists brings in lots of tourism dollars that would otherwise be spend elsewhere.

I meet a lot of people both male and female over 40 who ride MTB for exercise, companionship and fun. These are generally affluent, responsible people. Those I meet interstate and talk to on cycling forums have mostly heard of the Gold Coast and Queensland, but I have to explain to them that it’s not worth a visit to this state if they want to cycle, there are much better options in Australia. Basically the type of riding myself and these travellers are looking for is a more enjoyable/challenging form of bush walking (but on a MTB) and be able to see more country.

We have the perfect climate here in SEQ, warm winters to attract southern tourists and could offer a significant alternative experience for OS visitors , they will be spending money on flights, accommodation, restaurants and visit other attractions while here.

We are in Southeast Qld 5-10yrs behind the progressive Australian States and 20yrs behind OS facilities. MTB XC facilities need to be fast tracked, not planned for 5-10yrs ahead. Let’s try and catch up a bit not get 30yrs behind. The money spend will be recouped 10 fold.

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November 25, 2011 11:47am

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Quote: flyboy

Maybe MTB is high impact because so many people do it, not just the actual per bike impact

http://www.communities.qld.gov.au/sportrec/recreation/outdoor-recreation-demands-and-trends

http://www.communities.qld.gov.au/resources/sportrec/publications/outdoor-recreation-trends-analysis-sec11.pdf

Walking remains more popular than cycling, however between 1997 and 2001 it has been consistantly decreasing where as cycling is increasing.

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November 25, 2011 10:17pm Updated 25-11-2011 10:19 pm by drunkmonkey

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Quote: flyboy

Jim and Oppy, couldn't agree more but you are preaching to the converted! Maybe MTB is high impact because so many people do it, not just the actual per bike impact?

I sent an email to this address at seq water suggesting that it is a great idea and that Queensland as a whole is WAY behind the other states in this sort of thing. A trail like this, with Mt Joyce at the end of it, will surely be seen as visionary in the future.

We need to get behind it and not just post here, but send an email to seq water with our support and comparisons to the Otago Rail Trail, The Mundabiddi Trail in Western Australia, Forrest in Vic, Mt Stromlo in the ACT, Rotorua and Taupo in NZ to name but a few.

SEQ Catchments are doing the community consultations on this project - not SEQ Water. This project has nothing to do with SEQ Water - your email has been sent to SEQ Catchments.

If anyone is planning on writing a submission please make sure you send the email to the address listed - not SEQ Water. Or better yet attend one of the meetings.

If you write a submission or attend a meeting DERM have to respond to you and acknowledge your contribution!!

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November 25, 2011 10:31pm Updated 25-11-2011 10:36 pm by drunkmonkey

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Good point Oppy, I have nothing to add except agree it's complete bollocks that mtb is high impact activity. It doesn't take a PHD in environmental science to see what happens when tracks are closed for re-veg, suggest the impact is perhaps acceptable to the natural environment.

But also SEQ has better weather than many places for year round cycling, the government would be mugs to not play the sustainabillty eco tourism bollocks card. Apologies but I have little faith in the current batch and think they are incompentent muppets? Someone smart enough and rides a bike should go and tell them what to do and pull their finger out. Tell them 2031 is bollocks we expect this track to be built in 12 months, fix it up and stop pandering to hpocrit greenie homis

BTW it can't be me because nothing can stop me, don't even try to stop me nothing can stop me. I am unstoppable.

You will do MTB'ing no favours if you attend one of these meetings and crap on about the regional plan - it would be totally barking up the wrong tree.

FYI - the regional plan is due to be reviewed soon, you wont need to wait until 2031 to have input into it

And green space in SEQ is only going to increase in the near future.................

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November 26, 2011 09:26am Updated 26-11-2011 10:16 am by Jim R

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Quote: drunkmonkey

Quote: Jim R

Good point Oppy, I have nothing to add except agree it's complete bollocks that mtb is high impact activity. It doesn't take a PHD in environmental science to see what happens when tra

cks are closed for re-veg, suggest the impact is perhaps acceptable to the natural environment.

But also SEQ has better weather than many places for year round cycling, the government would be mugs to not play the sustainabillty eco tourism bollocks card. Apologies but I have little faith in the current batch and think they are incompentent muppets? Someone smart enough and rides a bike should go and tell them what to do and pull their finger out. Tell them 2031 is bollocks we expect this track to be built in 12 months, fix it up and stop pandering to hpocrit greenie homis

BTW it can't be me because nothing can stop me, don't even try to stop me nothing can stop me. I am unstoppable.

You will do MTB'ing no favours if you attend one of these meetings and crap on about the regional plan - it would be totally barking up the wrong tree.

FYI - the regional plan is due to be reviewed soon, you wont need to wait until 2031 to have input into it

And green space in SEQ is only going to increase in the nea

r future.................

dead right I couldn't give a stuff about doing any favours for mtb and wouldn't waste my time reading some bollocks regional plan unless on the payroll which I doubt the gov could afford me. I only do things to improve as a rider that helps me crush all comers especially numbsy's like you who think you have an inside line.

back on the topic I said it was a good scheme and that's it.

You cannot stop me, dont even try to stop me.

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